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Posted on Oct 13, 2015 in Bernie Sanders, Democratic Party, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Joe Biden, Presidential debates, primary, Public Opinion Polls, Republican Party | 0 comments

Polls through today mostly find Trump peaking, Clinton has a solid national lead. Updated Friday. Oct. 16


Note: During the Presidential campaign, we will make regular updates to our polls analysis in an effort to present the most accurate and current information. When we present analyses that reflect more than just current data driven logic, we will present those in the second part of the Polls Post. World crisis analyses will continue but appear in separate posts. We strongly recommend that you first read our short post about polls and analyses of them.

There are no new national polls since our last report below. There are a few state polls worth noting. On the Democratic side, following her strong debate performance, Hillary Clinton now has a small, and not statistically significant, lead over Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire. This according to the Boston Globe/Suffolk poll released today. It shows Hillary with 37 percent to Sanders’ 35. Joe Biden shows with 11 percent, amid rumors that he has been canvasing Democratic leaders throughout the U.S. in the past two days. If Biden decides not to run, Hillary’s lead will be even larger. The most notable aspect of the Boston Globe poll comes when one considers the Oct. 4, NBC/WSJ poll that showed Sanders leading in Clinton in N.H. by 14  points. (See below). Nationally, Hillary’s lead is substantial, and that shouldn’t be hurt in the upcoming national polls, given the widespread praise among Democrats for her debate performance. On the Republican side, CNN/ORC polls in Nevada and South Carolina show Trump leadin his closest rival, Ben Carson, by 16 and 18 percent respectively. Perhaps more significant are his total support figures in those two states which, at 38 and 36 percent, represent his highest numbers to date. These won’t necessarily translate into a national lead. We eagerly await weekend national polling results. The only other new poll results are match-up numbers in Pennsylvania. In a PPP poll, completed prior to Wednesday’s Democratic debate, Hillary’s slippage vs various Republican hopefuls, continues, although the change of direction is more relevant than the actual numbers. Match-up leads are very slight in all cases. Bush and Trump, in that order, match-up the least strong of the Republican candidates. In the Pennsylvania poll, Bush, Trump and Clinton continued to show the poorest favorable opinion numbers among the leading candidates for both parties. Joe Biden will have to consider whether his relative favorable opinion and match-up numbers will remain should he enter the race and thus get a target on his back.

On Sun., October 11, CBS’s polls show Trump with 27 percent leading Carson at 21% percent.  Hillary leads Sanders by 46 percent to 27 percent, Joe Biden who has yet to throw his hat in the ring is third with 16 percent.  Monday, October 12. saw the release of the little known CNU poll in Virginia and CNN’s poll of Democrats in Nevada and South Carolina, and a Washington Post poll of Democrats in Maryland. Tuesday, October 13, PPP presented updated polling from Pennyslvania and Quinnipiac did the same for Connecticut. Fox presented data on several matchups of leading candidates from both parties. By and large these polls still show Trump’s support hitting a wall and Hillary maintaining a significant lead over Sanders, though the Connecticut poll had Trump’s sizable lead there increase, with his closest competitors trailing by at least 20 percentage points. The Fox poll, surprisingly didn’t give national Republican totals, though from the matchups with Carson, it is apparent that their data suggests that Carson’s high “favorables” numbers have translated into increased support with non-Republican voters, especially viz a vis Hillary Clinton. Trump’s numbers against Hillary are lower, but still more favorable than in other polls. Fox also indicated that if Joe Biden enters the race he will start, at least, with the best match-up numbers of any of the Democrats, though in the Democratic party members only poll he trails her by 26 percent.

Analysis and details follow:

Now, on to the data, and the “why” for the conclusions stated in the title of this blog.

First, the Republican polls (numbers rounded off): Trump’s support in an average of the current national polls is about 23 percent. Three weeks ago it was 31 percent. That was the high point of his meteoric rise. His current national support ranges from 21 to 27 percent. In a few state polls his numbers are higher, but almost all have thus far been limited to 31 percent. The Quinnipiac Connecticut poll, is current, and also an outlier–it has his support at 34 percent with second place Dr. Carson trailing him by 20 percent. The other recent state poll, PPD’s in Pennsylvania had Trump at 24 percent, just 1 percent ahead of Carson. October 8, the well thought of Field Poll for California, showed Trump at 17 percent to Carson’s 15 and Fiorina a close third at 13. Rubio, Bush and Cruz follow with 10 percent, 8, and 6 respectively. On October 9, Gravis reported a New Hampshire poll which shows that Trump maintains a large lead–polling 31 percent, 19 percent more than second place Carson. In the CNU Virginia poll, Trump has leads Carson 23 percent to 17 percent. Rubio and Fiorina follow closely at 14 and 13 percent respectively. Bush is at 9 percent, viable, but unnoteworthy. Carson is closing the gap in all of the recent national polls, and has just received a strong push from Rupert Murdoch, so expect his Fox News to give Carson more air  time. Nonetheless, based on the CBS and CNU polls, his surge too, seems to have hit a wall. None of the of the hopefuls have emerged from the rest of the pack–remarkable in the cases of Bush and Fiorina, who seemed to have some momentum following her perceived strong debate performances. Most of the national polls are very close to one another and they consistently reflect a slight decline in Donald Trump’s support following the second debate. A deeper look into the polls will reveals why they suggest a peaking out of his support. With Dr. Carson’s seeming daily gaffes appear to have slowed his surge, and the rest of the candidates far enough behind, Trump had a window to lengthen his lead, but he just can’t seem to make significant progress upward, and in the analysis that follows, the data suggest that his candidacy is in trouble. Though currently Trump’s numbers still average the highest of any of the Republican hopefuls, his numbers have declined, and are well below the majority threshold required for nomination.* Couldn’t this just be the result of a “one-off” poor debate? The polls suggest not. First of all, virtually all of the polls respondents have heard of Donald Trump and all but 9 percent have formed an opinion of him! The problem for Trump’s campaign is that when those polled were asked about whether they have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of each candidate, Trump’s “unfavorable” number were 40 percent, the highest of any of the hopefuls. Equally troubling for a party desperate to regain the White House is that Trump’s numbers are even worse with the general electorate. 59 percent of the sample of all Americans  said that they have an unfavorable opinion of Ddonald Trump. The next obvious question is whether he could pick up supporters of other candidates once their first choices drop out of the race? Trump’s numbers here also reflect strong headwinds. The most recent poll to ask the “second choice” question, The Wall Street Journal/NBC poll, following the second debate, gives Trump no succor. It showed that when first choice and second choice numbers were combined, Trump actually loses ground to his closest competitors. In fact, taking the combined numbers Trump actually trails Carson, Fiorina, Rubio and Bush! In polls where the leading Republican candidates are matched-up against three Democratic candidates, Trump’s numbers are the lowest. Altogether these poll numbers spell trouble for the Trump campaign and present his campaign with a steep uphill climb. It seems that voters are polarized about Donald Trump, though his numbers include some very enthusiastic supporters, nonetheless, his manner and style appear to have “turned off” too many people for a successful candidacy for the Republican nomination. With Carson’s numbers surging and then also leveling off or even declining, we may be in a holding pattern until the next Republican debate on Oct. 28.  Any movement upwards in the numbers for those that follow the two leaders could be significant. Advertising, which likely will influence a sizable number of voters, really hasn’t yet started. Bush’s famously large campaign chest makes him the most likely beneficiary of advertising. Carson, Fiorina, and Rubio are reportedly being considered by big Republican donors. Some key donors appear to be hedging bets waiting until one of the non-Trump hopefuls emerges from the pack. Trump’s wealth, which hasn’t yet been tapped, gives him potential advertising clout. Some, however, question how much of his own assets Trump will use if his numbers continue to stagnate, if not decline. Carson’s financial war chest has reportedly risen, and one would have expected them to rise even more if he continued to rise in the polls. The CBS poll doesn’t show that, however. Additional national polls will be closely scrutinized by large donors to see if they support the CBS poll numbers. The press is giving a lot of space to some of his recent gaffes. Dr. Carson is currently Trump’s closest competitor, and he has received some key support recently. Carly Fiorina’s numbers, which rose dramatically following the second debate, and some of the other hopefuls, showed improvement, though less dramatically. (In Part II, we will revisit the viability of some of the campaigns).  Since many of those trailing Trump as of now have high “never heard of” and “no opinion” numbers, a reshuffling of their ranking is likely. Often polls vary from one-another during primary season but tend to converge close to the general election, perhaps reflecting a change in their methodologies. One poll, reporting Oct. 3, which varies from the others right now, but with a good final prediction record, the IBD or Investors Business Daily/TIPP poll, showed Carson leading Trump by seven percent. One of the most current national polls, ironically the Democratic Party PPD poll, shows Trump leading with the same 27 percent that CBS found. USA Today and Pew polls have Trump leading by 25 and 23 percent respectively. Both represent a decline from their previous polls.His numbers in the early primary state of New Hampshire are, as noted above, very good. A state poll in Pennsylvania, conducted by a small Catholic liberal arts college, Mercyhurst University, shows Carson tying Trump in that state at 18 percent. The more mainstream Quinnipiac state polls reported on Oct. 7 show Trump still leading in Pennsylvania and Ohio, both by 23 percent, which matches his national numbers, and, like those polls, represents a decline in his support (His numbers almost a week later in Pennsylvania show a gain of 1 percent, not statistically significant. Scattered state polls show that Trump’s has high numbers in the southern states, and those show him leading, with numbers generally in the 26 to 28 percent range. His showing in the Connecticut poll with 34 percent is slightly above his good number in New Hampshire. Some of those states have “favorite sons”–such as Rubio and Bush in Florida, and Graham, in South Carolina, which makes Trump’s early leads there all the more remarkable–though it should be noted that Rubio and Bush are likely splitting many voters in Florida. We eagerly await the next batch of national polls and will update this report as they emerge. The conclusion, however, that nationally Trump has peaked, is supported by the leveling off of his national numbers, his high “unfavorables,” and the finding that the vast majority of voters have already formed an opinion of him.

On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders’ campaign made somewhat of a splash with large crowds of enthusiastic supporters, and the Oct. 4,  NBC/WSJ poll in New Hampshire showed him leading Hillary Clinton by 14 percent! However, in an Oct. 9  Gravis poll of New Hampshire Democratic voters, Sanders lead over Hillary is just 3 percent and when Biden’s name is removed she moves into the lead, even there, in a neighboring state to Sanders’ Vermont. The more recent state polls from Connecticut, Nevada, South Carolina, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Virginia show Clinton with even larger leads, and more important, close to the threshold needed to win the nomination. Clinton’s numbers unquestionably suffered from the non-stop attacks on her e-mail uses. National polls, however, while showing the race to be narrowing, still show her with a significant lead over Sanders by an average of 14 percentage points, 41 to 27. The most recent of them, the CBS polls showed her with a 19 percentage point lead over Sanders. The week earlier WSJ/NBC poll showed Hillary’s lead at a closer 7 percent. These polls, it should be remembered, include Joe Biden in the field. He has not yet announced his candidacy. Nonetheless, his polling numbers have moved close to Sanders’. Also significant, Hillary leads Sanders as the second choice among Biden’s supporters. When Biden’s name is removed from the polling query, Hillary’s lead expands to 15 percent, and, more significantly, her numbers reach a majority garnering 53 percent of the voters. Hillary’s difficulties show up in her match-ups against various Republican hopefuls. This suggests that the attacks on her have resonated with the independents, and may encourage Biden to enter the race. If Joe Biden enters the race, as many cited so-called “associates” suggest he will, shortly, and Hillary’s trust numbers erode further, sizable funds may work their way to his candidacy. In such a case their performances in tonight’s first Democratic debate will take on a new importance. It remains to be seen how Congressman Kevin McCarthy and ex-Benghazi select committee Investigator-turned-whistle-blower Maj. Bradley Podliska’s assertions, that the committee’s accusals are just partisan efforts to discredit Clinton, in order to weaken her candidacy, will changes her low trust numbers (discussed in Part II). Dirty tricks are employed because of their history of working. Clinton surely will expect questions about Benghazi and the e-mail controversy and so it will be important to see how she handles them, and how that affects her “unfavorables” numbers. Without a highly competitive race, the numbers of viewers for tonight’s debate will likely be considerably less than the Republican debates drew.

*It must be remembered that not all of the states’ convention delegates are determined through primary elections. The rules for nomination are complex and have changed a number of times over the years. It is far too complex to go into here, but two things seem relevant: 1) It takes a majority of the delegates to win the nomination, and 2) Establishment candidates, which definitely does not include Donald Trump, generally win the bulk of non-primary states’ delegates. Unless Trump’s polling numbers in match-ups against Democratic hopefuls become significantly better than those of his competitors for the nomination, which they have not done thus far, his candidacy will not get a boost from non-primary states. As of now, Trump’s match-up numbers are lower than most of his nearest competitors.

Iowa and New Hampshire, the first two primary states, often fail to predict the winners. Thus far, based on smaller samples, polls in those two states are at variance with national polls for both parties.

Part II-Beyond the Data.

The question of where Trump’s voters will go, if his relative numbers erode as I expect them to do as we move closer to the primaries, is a difficult one to predict. Surely some of them will migrate to Ted Cruz, but definitely not all of them and I expect some of them to sit out the election, should he withdraw altogether. If he launched a third-party campaign, it would surely guarantee a Democratic victory. Dr. Carson, who I felt gave a weak performance in the second debate, and he has made several unpresidential gaffes of late, has nonetheless moved into second place. My gut tells me that his candidacy for the actual nomination isn’t viable, though I’ll admit that his current polling numbers challenge that belief. With the third debate not being held until October 28, given a peaking of Trump as suggested by the data presented above, Carson, Fiorina and Rubio have a window of opportunity to gain on Trump and Carson. Carson, with Fox devoting more time to his campaign, has a decent chance to overtake Trump, at least in the non-southern states, if the Doctor’s foot-in-mouthitis problems cease. If I am correct, about Carson’s inability to sustain his momentum over the long haul, the race will come down to Fiorina, Rubio, Bush, Cruz and I am not yet ready to write off Christie. Kasich’s campaign still hasn’t caught fire, though his moderate appeal seems to be recognized by most pundits. He to may have made a serious gaffe by suggesting to New Hampshire voters that they should “get over it” if they don’t agree that social security benefits have to be reduced. He may prove a more viable candidate for the vice-presidential nomination than as a serious presidential candidate. Kasich’s home state of Ohio figures to be one of the key swing states in the general election.

Hillary still maintains a substantial lead for what is really a three person race, at most. Her campaign must neutralize the non-stop attacks on her, originating from the clearly political U.S. House Select Committee on Benghazi, headed by Trey Gowdy (and acknowledged as such by McCarthy, who was the leading candidate to succeed Boehner as Speaker of the House of Representatives until he made that charge).  Her “Trust” numbers are very low. Right now her polling numbers, when matched up against the leading Republican hopefuls, have also eroded, dramatically–indeed, this factor alone might well tempt Vice President Biden to enter the race. Democratic voters thus far have discounted those attacks and her overall support numbers with them are still substantial–and close enough to a majority that she might benefit from a “bandwagon” effect down the road. The desire to be on the winning side early, among politicians, cannot be overestimated. More troumbling for the Clinton campaign are the independents, for whom the trust issue appears to be more troubling than it is among Democrats. Unless this changes it could spell trouble in the general election. As for Bernie Sanders, he is in the enviable position of being able to articulate policies that may be popular with liberal voters, yet would cost votes in a general election. Because of those, he has a fervent base of support. However, because of them, and because of his self-proclaimed Socialist sobriquet, I believe his candidacy is doomed. He almost certainly would be defeated in the general election, and Democrats understand the importance of winning the presidency with Congress in the hands of conservative Republicans. One is reminded of the McGovern nomination in 1972, and his subsequent large defeat by Richard Nixon. I suspect that most of Sanders’ supporters are willing to vote for Hillary should she be the nominee. Clinton understands the necessity of not antagonizing them to the point where they might sit out  the general election, much as some McCarthy and Robert Kennedy supporters did in 1968–which resulted in a very close win by Richard Nixon. Yet Clinton must differentiate herself from Sanders or risk being tainted by his Socialist label. It’s a delicate balancing act.

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